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Equalism

neitherday
Date and Time  - Aug. 24th, 2006, 12:38 am

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There was a time in the not-too-distant past when I thought that people were missing the point if they said "'feminists' should call themselves 'equalists' if they truly embrace equality." Now, I think I may have been missing the point. While I agree with most strong feminist concepts, I do not feel part of the feminist "community" nor do I longer want to be part of it any longer. This has been eating at me more and more the past year.

When I was homeless in the Northampton/Amherst area, I had just as much trouble with "feminists" as I did with frat boys, both groups being endemic to the area. I was refused housing on the basis of being trans by both groups. But I still identified as feminist.

Recently, I've become more and more dissatisfied with the drama and the readiness of many feminists to shout "You're not a feminist if you are X"; X being a sex worker, a transsexual, a pro-lifer, or someone who disagrees with them. It's interesting that the same people who would readily deny people the feminist label will also state "a feminist is anyone who believes in equality for women". I've known a lot of people who stopped identifying as feminist for this very reason. The exchange goes as follows: "You're not a feminist." "Okay."

I have also come to dislike the feminist community's knack for grabbing a concept because it sounds or feels good, not because it makes sense. Personal opinions and beliefs are fine and can be based on whatever you want to base them on, but policy and law should be based on reason and logic. Reason and logic are not inherently male concepts nor are they dirty words, as I have heard some "feminists" actually claim.

Reading the blatant hatred and nastiness on MichFest Boards the other day have sealed the deal: While I may agree with most feminist concepts, I no longer want to be part of the "community". Feel free to label me whatever you want based on my views or your views or whatever, but I will from now on be calling myself a There was a time in the not-too-distant past when I thought that people were missing the point if they said "'feminists' should call themselves 'equalists' if they truly embrace equality." Now, I think I may have been missing the point. While I agree with most strong feminist concepts, I do not feel part of the feminist "community" nor do I longer want to be part of it any longer. This has been eating at me more and more the past year.

When I was homeless in the Northampton/Amherst area, I had just as much trouble with "feminists" as I did with frat boys, both groups being endemic to the area. I was refused housing on the basis of being trans by both groups. But I still identified as feminist.

Recently, I've become more and more dissatisfied with the drama and the readiness of many feminists to shout "You're not a feminist if you are X"; X being a sex worker, a transsexual, a pro-lifer, or someone who disagrees with them. It's interesting that the same people who would readily deny people the feminist label will also state "a feminist is anyone who believes in equality for women". I've known a lot of people who stopped identifying as feminist for this very reason. The exchange goes as follows: "You're not a feminist." "Okay."

I have also come to dislike the feminist community's knack for grabbing a concept because it sounds or feels good, not because it makes sense. Personal opinions and beliefs are fine and can be based on whatever you want to base them on, but policy and law should be based on reason and logic. Reason and logic are not inherently male concepts nor are they dirty words, as I have heard some "feminists" actually claim.

Reading the blatant hatred and nastiness on MichFest Boards the other day have sealed the deal: While I may agree with most feminist concepts, I no longer want to be part of the "community". Feel free to label me whatever you want based on my views or your views or whatever, but I will from now on be calling myself a equalist.

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From:[info]lavendertattoo
Date:August 24th, 2006 - 04:44 am
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When I was going to Hampshire College in Amherst, my roommate was a 'feminist'. Yet she treated me like crap and made fun of what I wore and implied I was setting the woman's movement back by wearing what I did, etc. To this day I still think I'm more of a 'feminist' than she could ever be.
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From:[info]lavendertattoo
Date:August 24th, 2006 - 05:43 am
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And what I mean by that is I think women should be able to wear whatever they want, etc. I think the whole point of 'feminism' etc. is that women should be comfortable with themselves and freedom to express themselves however they want. What my ex-roommate did to me is wrong. She even joked she was going to dress as me for halloween, blah.
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From:[info]defygravity87
Date:August 24th, 2006 - 04:48 pm
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I agree wholeheartedly. It's sexist to believe women should dress in a distinctly feminine state, yes, but it's just as sexist to believe that sensual clothing doesn't conform to a "truly free" feminist woman. The whole point is choosing what you're comfortable with. If you aren't comfortable in other clothes, then you shouldn't have to wear them. So-called feminists follow that religiously and so wear what they want, but it's rather hypocritical for them to call anything else as anti-feminist.
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From:[info]jasonspark
Date:August 24th, 2006 - 05:17 am
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I like what you write but I feel like I have no right to comment. I have never labeled myself as a "feminist" because at U Mass Amherst I was taught by my "feminist" friends that a man could never truly be a "feminist" and thus the word was not appropriate for a man to use. We could be "feminist supporters" however. Labels are always a complex thing. But I think that any belief system that believes everything on this planet is equal is along the right path, whatever that is called. The trees have as much rights as do the humans as do the animals as does the planet and so on.
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From:[info]catskillmarina
Date:August 24th, 2006 - 01:32 pm
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Regarding the tranz hatred on the Mich Women't fest Message boards
and rejecting hypocritical feminism:
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I totally understand. Feminism in the past has been associated with racism
- see Harriet Tubman's speach at the 1848 Women's rights convention and with classism - see the 50's feminists rant about women only being at home
while my women friends of the time were working in the textile mills.

Feminism as an ideal is one thing, feminism as a cultural subgroup
is another thing altogether. The 1970's style feminists as exemplified by
the mich fest people define themselves by EXCLUDING others rather than by
fighting for the rights of ALL the oppressed. I'd say fuck 'em, but i would
never sleep with someone so narrow minded. ...of course that does not stop
some of them (people closly associated with the mich fest founders) from
sleeping with lovely trans or IS women ;-)

There is hope, though. Most of the young lesbian women have rejected the
hypocritical feminism of the 70's era lesbian separatists who define
feminism by exclusion rather than by fighting for their rights alongside
the rights of others.
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From:[info]neitherday
Date:August 24th, 2006 - 01:55 pm
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I've been told that the "community" is changing for a long time. It hasn't and I'm done waiting.
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From:[info]sophy
Date:August 24th, 2006 - 02:25 pm
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It always makes me sad when someone decided to judge or blame a whole group based on the nastiness of some of it's members. I know that plenty of people who identify as feminist do the things you've mentioned, but there are plenty who don't feel that way and who do include sex workers and trans people and men and conservatives, etc.
I'm not saying I don't understand where you're coming from, and obviously you have the right to identify yourself and call yourself whatever you want, as well as to be a part of whatever communities you feel most comfortable with.
I just hope you won't judge all of people who call themselves feminists by the descriptions you use in this post.
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From:[info]neitherday
Date:August 24th, 2006 - 02:39 pm
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Yes, there are plenty of feminists I admire and I subscribe to most of feminism's ideals. But the behaviour I've mentioned is so often (albeit not always) tolerated within the "community" that I no longer wish to identify myself as part of that group. And while in the end I have no control over what labels others apply to me, I can control what labels I apply to myself.
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From:[info]sophy
Date:August 24th, 2006 - 03:10 pm
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Absolutley.
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From:[info]sabishii_ki
Date:August 24th, 2006 - 02:45 pm
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Maybe it's cynical of me...(heck, I know for a fact that it's cynical. >.> )...but it's instances like this that support my claim that no group is inherently right, nor are they inherently wrong or bad. I give the broad generalization that people, as a group and on whole, are dumb. There is no escaping it. There is no solution.

However...people (even in groups, though it's less likely) are capable of being intelligent thinking creatures; it's the loss of self identity that comes with giving oneself up completely to the group that kills that trait. Keep the group close, but don't let it eat you.

...and I think I just over-did it with the cynicism 'cause my own comment is starting to hurt me.
...bleh.
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From:[info]neitherday
Date:August 24th, 2006 - 02:58 pm
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I agree wholeheartedly. While I no longer want to be part of the feminist "community", I do not consider feminism inherently wrong or bad and in fact I still support most of it. It's just that my life experiences have lead me to decide I do not want to identify as part of that group any longer.
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From:[info]iamacliche
Date:August 24th, 2006 - 10:18 pm

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its funny, cuz LAST NIGHT, i decided, "i don't think i wanna be considered a feminist anymore". The thought worried me at first. I tried to figure out if it meant that i was becoming an asshole and losing touch with my values. As soon as i said to myself "i'm not a feminist" it equaled "i'm not a good person" but today i was thinking more, and thinking does feminist always equal good person? And does every good person have to IDENTIFY as a feminist? No. While my belief is that in order to be a good person, you have to treat everyone as best as you can, despite their sex, race, gender, orientation, age, etc etc, i dont believe that feminist necessarily equals good person.
Its really interesting to me that of all times to post that, you did it on the day after my up all night worrying if i'm a bad person cuz i'm no longer comfortable being labeled a feminist.
I do still believe in the same things i believed in when i gave myself that label, but i think the label is unclear, and i'm not wanting it for myself. That being said, at least 1/2 my friends still identify as feminists and i love them and have no problem with hat, but for me, it doesnt fit right anymore.
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From:[info]defygravity87
Date:August 24th, 2006 - 04:45 pm
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It's like that Family Guy episode where Peter joins the feminist group. He takes Louis to one of the meeting or whatever, I don't remember the exact details since I saw the episode a while ago, and the "progressive" feminist starts making fun of Louis for being a stay at home mother. She says that Peter couldn't possibly have learned to respect women if he had Louis as a wife, that is to say, if he married a weak, domestic woman. Louis said that feminism wasn't about any of that but about choice and, so, she chose to stay at home.

Feminists might say they believe in choice. They just don't.

Just last semester, my acting class got into a random discussion about how women are still under men, etc. It came up that I'm engaged and planned to retire from work once I had children. This is a personal choice. These so-called feminists started telling me that it's women like me that set back the movement and that either my fiance has brainwashed me or I have absolutely no self-esteem.

Ugh.

Feminism should have been about equality of choice. Women and men should be free to make decisions on their own lives and conduct regardless of sex and I, at least, thought that this was the underlying concept of feminism. It's articles and events such as those posted here that show how far it is from the truth. Most feminists seem to believe that women, to be equal to men, must take on non-traditional roles.

Still...

If you don't like a patriarichal society choosing your life's path, then you shouldn't have a matriarichal political ideology choose it, either!